With permission, we replicate PMG’s guidance on how they see pools opening up safely in a controlled process.
In response to the comments left on this article, here are some further-reading recommendations from Craig Lord:
- Coronavirus And Swimmers: CDC Issues Guidance On Water Transmission & COVID-19
- Potential Risks Of COVID-19 For Open Water Swimmers Highlighted By UNC Research Paper
- San Francisco Had 1918 ‘Flu Under Control … Then It Lifted
- Wilful Blindness – by Prof. Margaret Heffernan
Commentary by Pool Management Group:
Martine Lebrun
Sylvie Letarte ça ressemble pas mal a ce que j’ai lu a date ! ?
I don’t think sunlight kills the virus as this article states.
Amanda Law no, it doesn’t but the sun is an excellent source of vitamin D and it energizes the T- cells which help build immunity. This, in turn, helps your body fight illnesses.
Absolutely the sun kills the virus. It doesn’t kill all of it immediately but virus in the sun vs virus n a dark room you have much less that survives the sun.
Yeah i doubt they are going to open pools bc of this pandemic but the sun is a great source of vitamin D and stuff like that but stay safe #stayhome❤️
Amanda Law Sunlight or, more specifically, solar UV radiation (UV) acts as the principal natural virucide in the environment. UV radiation kills viruses by chemically modifying their genetic material, DNA and RNA.
Katie McLaughlin Goodson
Kerry Johnsen some good ideas that could work for us!
Noelle Kawaguchi thank you! Ive been thinking about this a lot. I already have the blocks of pool usage scheduled in my head. Figuring out occupancy capacity will be interesting too. Lots to take into consideration. Now if only I can find disinfecting stuff for the pool.
Open all pools!!!!!
Diana Terry Bolding yes ?
Yeah open all pools!
And what about the lifeguards safety? If they have to ‘rescue’ anyone they can’t possibly keep a safe distance and wear pep!
Annon –
Exactly. Their are risking their lives to save someone else’s. Can a swim team have practice during Covid-19? How can they safely practice with the social distancing, and breathing hard after races?
Natasha Bouchard – helpful information .!
John Griffin????lets go!!!
Cindy and I are working on it.
My opinion is that a swim club practice could easily follow the guidelines for distancing in and out of the water. Please Open the pools.
Rob Richardson diseases travel faster in water than air.
I have looked at all the CDC guidelines for home pools, and they say the chlorine will kill virus and bacteria in the water. So, with safe distancing, we should be good to swim.
A little more complex than that but distancing is a key measure among several … https://www.swimmingworldmagazine.com/news/swimming-pool-safety-in-focus-as-hygiene-expert-professor-spica-tests-revival-waters-with-us/
Jessica Mendelsohn it’s chlorinated water…
Rob Richardson so then tell me why people still get sick and can contract E Coli from pools?
Rob Richardson
Per the CDC, “There is no evidence that the virus that causes COVID-19 can be spread to people through the water in pools, hot tubs, spas, or water play areas. Proper operation and maintenance (including disinfection with chlorine and bromine) of these facilities should inactivate the virus in the water.”
Jessica Mendelsohn no one is forcing you or your kids to swim in a pool. If you are ok with the “risk” then you should be able to swim. More likely (statistically )that you will have a car accident driving to the pool
Jessica Mendelsohn what source did you get that from? Assuming the pool was properly maintained “chemically”? Referring to your E Coli remark
Jessica Mendelsohn ????
Rob Richardson here in Sweden most swimming halls are open and teams have been able to keep practising. Clubs have made new schedules so not too many are in the hall at the same time, parents dont follow inside w their kids etc. Its tougher for larger clubs who normalt have many groups at the same time and have to cancelled some practises. Also Warm up and physics is Done out doors. I am so Happy our kids have been able to go to school and swim practise this whole time, it is the best for their mental health to keep things as close to normal as possible. All competition is cancelled until the fall but at least they get the exercise they need…
Hope you guys soon can have the same but it is important everyone respects that We need to act differently to be able keep things as normal as possible!
Open the pools! Not the locker rooms, in the pool, practice hard, no hanging on lane lines, small groups, get out right into cars!
Rob Richardson yes!!!
Sue Welker – FYI. No mention of how to share lanes or team training with multiple swimmers per lane.
Tom Degnan our club team has mentioned possibly splitting leveled groups into 2 and each group has assigned days. 16 swimmers in a group. 8 per lane at each end of our 50m pool. We shall see.
Tom Degnan any practice better then none.. willing to take turns… get workouts from coaches..
Possibly take every other lane line out and swim the circle using a 2 lane width.
Position 1/2 of the group starting at the far end and the other 1/2 at the near end (for starting and ending repeats).
Our teams are allowing 2 swimmers per lane, seating at opposite ends of the pool. Shorter practices in order to spread training groups out. No parents on pool declass, locker rooms limited to bathroom usage only. It’s working well for masters and youth teams
Do you see them competing? How would a swim meet look?
Is Covid-19 water-borne?
Not when chlorine’s involved
Stephanie Shuger Willey
Small teams dont have the money to pay for more hours of pool time
Jacquie James. This is a good read , with a list of things to think about.
Riley Petrick
Joe Acquaviva plymar doing something like this?
It’s been over 100 degree in AZ and it will continue to climb those pools need to open ASAP
We will never train in ny with all these restrictions
Bri Brianne Ryan Bianco
My pool in Utah opens Friday. We are not allowed to share lanes or use the showers.
Joey Marquart could please share more information about the pool policy at yurt facility. I am AQ Director in NJ state and we are working on reopening swimming pools plan at my faculty.
It would be helpful if you could share the name of your faculty and the best contact personal to reach out about opening .
Thank you
Svetlana
Svetlana Barker sure I will message you
Joey Marquart would you mind sharing details? I’m trying to figure out how to make swim team work if/when our pool opens. Thanks!
Danny Weber May be some helpful information here.
Chad Washam I’ll take a look, I’m on calls about this stuff a lot with the full time job. We have a good plan that meets all guidelines when we can open, Ill share Monday.
Cindy Weber
I am sorry, but why on earth do I want to work in this type of environment. Lets just wait 8 more months for a vaccine.
Millie McCabe maybe this could be helpful for summer swim
Laura Eff
Answer: turn on the lights and pour in the chlorine as usual. Enough media driven hysteria
Open the pools! Common sense.. no sunbathing, sharing lanes, using locker rooms. Lap swimmers only..
Please remember that not all pools are outdoors, that no one is talking about staff safety, and that at least in Canada we have not hit our peak, so opening a facility at this time is not using common sense. Sometimes it is not about what the individual but more about the community including our seniors. Also remember that all guarding staff are going home to their families who are also in contact with others. I agree, let’s wait until workers and patrons can be safe.
Phillip Kong
Carly Saunders
None of this is acceptable. Korean kills the virus. The virus has the same recovery rate as the flu. There is no reason for any restrictions.
There are many reasons to suggest you have erred in your thought on this. There are references far and wide to show you why if you care to look. Here’s one of them: https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/observations/comparing-covid-19-deaths-to-flu-deaths-is-like-comparing-apples-to-oranges/
Chlorine, not Korean
Jennifer Biallas Price
Alexandra Cramer
Ways to open – take the cover off and let’s go !!!!!
Diana Terry Bolding exactly!!!!!!
Christy Evans Rebecca Ensor
Everyone knows chlorine kills everything
Drink chlorine instead you idiot!????? The virus is INSIDE the body. Simple common sense. Are you serious STUPID? You don’t drink chlorine!!
I believe they meant, pour the chlorine in the water. I don’t believe they were suggesting to ingest it.
Let’s run numbers for a swim team to practice in 6 or 8 lane pools…50 to 250 athletes…
Bill Stephan wow. This sounds like a cluster f***. Pools in the Midwest are money pits as it is, this would probably kill them off.
How do you run a practice with a pool full of kids breathing heavily during the sets?? How many of them do you see hacking a goober into the gutter or doing a ‘farmer flick ‘from their nose (hopefully in the gutter as well), It’s not like we haven’t been catching crap in pools all along. Pee, diapers, rashes, eye/ear infections, etc. Gross thought I know, but I guess our ignorance was bliss.
The plan for 250 athletes is pretty straightforward:
1) Accept the fact that from now on, your pool is going to be open 24 hours per day.
2) Your team will be divided into 10 groups of 25 swimmers. Each group will get the pool for 1.5 hours, separated by 30 minute periods to disinfect the pool area.
3) Since these groups will have to be spread over 20 hours of the day, this means that once area schools open, those schools will need to accept the fact the some swimmers will need to miss 2 hours out of the school day (plus any additional time needed to travel to and from the pool). Perhaps the schedule can be different for different days of the week so that each swimmer actually gets to attend school for the entire day on most days of the week. Of course, families will need to modify their eating and sleeping schedules so that their swimmers can be free at their allotted times.
4) The remaining 4 hours of the day will be reserved for the 50 swimmers (of all ages) who aren’t on the swim team but will be allowed to use the pool. If those swimmers have historically had other activities (like jobs) that restrict the hours when they are available, those other activities will have to adjust their hours to allow the swimmers to be free during the 1.5 hour period that is assigned to them. If they will agree to only use the pool every other day, then it should be possible to expand this group to 100 swimmers.
Keep in mind that these 350 swimmers will need to be fairly rich, since they will have to collectively cover all of the expenses needed to keep the pool in operation.
Bob McAdams rich to be able to afford the likely medical expenses and personal heartache of infected and dying family members…..but thats ok as long as they can get a nice swim in…..?stay safe?
Bill Stephan and also this virus has fecal shedding- just throwing this disgusting factor in as learn to swim and programs with guppies/young age groupers. Things happen.
Michelyn Rudser Baker … Thank god for people like you that have a brain.?
Bob McAdams ok not real
I’ve got a suggestion…stop trying to regulate everything! Open the pools and let people decide for themselves whether they want to get in or not?!?!
Tell me how this coronavirus spreads. How many deaths and positive cases so far?
Allison Gober absolutely!!!
Allison Gober great idea!! People are making such a fuzz about it.
You, my dear, have way too much common sense! Like you have been infected with the common sense virus, or something. ???
Spencer Pinter just waiting on them to release that mandatory common sense vaccine! ??♀️
Allison Gober – Right?!! Who knows how long that will take. For now, however, how about people try to ☝?
Allison Gober disagree
Allison Gober seriously. So OVER the hype.
Our county has shut down all public pools for the summer and in apartment and condo complexes there is a one person per pool rule regardless of how big it is. It is absurd
Allison Gober I’m a swimmer but it’s better to keep them closed . Trust me. It’s impossible to control a swimming pool . People are so stupid they will infect them selfs and everyone at home .
This is a flu, kids have been swimming with flus for years…please open the pools and resume to normalcy:)
Valerie Stewart 60,000 people do not die of the flu in 2 months.
Tanya McDowell Thome no but 80000 in 3 months
Tanya McDowell Thome interesting that every other cause of death is down? Research mainstream news that doctors are being coerced to fill out death certificates as cov 19 when they are not. A family member just passed away last week, from congenital heart failure, after receiving a negative Covid 19 test in the hospital. The COD was listed as Covid 19!!!!
i am an ICU nurse, there are a good amount of false negatives. These patients all present similarly. People are afraid to come into the hospital for other ailments, for fear that they will get covid.
Tanya McDowell Thome 62,000 died in the 2017-18 flu season. Now you can say that a flu season is 5-6 months long but everyone knows January and February are the hot bed months – right after everyone gets together for the holidays ?
It’s not flu! Wow. You are all stating numbers and figures but have you any idea how much pain and grief these people are feeling? We don’t have a vaccine yet!! Any here an anti vaxxer?? Many are asymptomatic and you don’t know if you have it. From Reuters and Bloomberg. It is deadlier than the flu.
余梓鍵 they are clueless
Tony Trefoil sadly yes, clueless and selfish. What they suffer from is not catching but it is certainly very dangerous for everyone?stay safe?
Them clueless and selfish Swedes. Damn them to hell!! https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/28/world/europe/sweden-coronavirus-herd-immunity.html?smid=fb-share&fbclid=IwAR1bmunmMCN5705mS8johc9txIp3oT0S_Rm_niXObkqmTDiF1oTPALP8KsM
Valerie Stewart
This is way worse than the flu
Valerie Stewart this is not just flu’, it’s far worse and deadly for many people of all ages but particularly those who are older although young people are not immune. I’m sorry but I don’t understand why you think it’s just flu’? Have you not been listening or reading up about it?
Claire Kennedy
CDC… not human transmission … not a problem
CDC… human transmission
CDC…. masks don’t work.
CDC… masks do work but are only for care providers.
CDC… masks are required outside.
CDC… 3foot transmission
CDC… 6 foot transmission
CDC … 36 foot transmission
CDC… didn’t get in food.
CDC .., does get on food.
CDC…. big problem with daily changes.
If you have been following as I have… you will see drs saying this is BS.
You will hear drs saying that Zithromax and clorquizine Work and works well.
You will hear drs saying they are being coerced to lie on death certificates.
You will notice that Fauci works for Gates foundation.
You will read that Fauci gave 3.7 million to Wuhan lab in question.
You will find that CDC is also a business that profits from vaccines.
You will find head of WHO worked for communist China, is NOT a dr at all and in fact was head of a known terrorist organization.
The CDC Has screwed up since day one and has questionable connections with Gates foundation.
I did not say this was JUST A FLU.
I said it was A FLU.
The origin is from
A corona virus.
Cigarettes kill million a year. Alcohol kills three million.
The flu kills 64,000 a year.
Do we shut the economy for any of those?
You are projecting on me without an understanding of science.
Read the facts before responding.
Sooooo treu…
not to mention tuberculosis—-it kills globally and is becoming drug resistant
There’s no vaccine for HIV or Herpes virus and they are rampant…
Car accidents and ALCOHOL kill more people than viruses
We could have done this much differently….if you were afraid or at risk, stay home….otherwise, let life go on. After this it will be another disease….you can’t stop it…viruses and bacteria find ways around human interventions…
You don’t get cancer by just standing next to a smoker, you get liver damage by just standing next to an alcoholic, you can get the virus by just standing next to person with a virus. Horrible comparisons.
Valerie, a great deal of all that is pure conjecture and rumour with no basis in fact – and you compound your errors with extremely poor comparisons. Beyond the error of a million smokers dying (fact: “Cigarette smoking is responsible for more than 480,000 deaths per year in the United States”), smoking is a choice (one that kills about 40,000 passive smokers among those 480,000). COVID-19 is not a choice. It’s a virus too little is know about to make standard behaviour and approaches acceptable as a response. If that were not the case, the world would have stayed open. It didn’t – there was good reason for that.
Kelly McKibben Lindaman Not by a long shot. The mortality rate has already been established to be akin to the flu. The flu also kills people of all ages it does not discriminate. The average age for this virus is 80 years old, which exceeds the average life expectancy for human beings by 5 years. More people over a 100 years old have died from this disease than people under 30.Over half of all the deaths have been in communal type living environments like nursing homes or other assisted living facilities.
The flu is much worse compared to this over hyped virus.
Kimberly Joy
You need to educate yourself
Kimberly Joy
I don’t think thousands of doctors and scientists are wrong but hey I’m sure you know everything
Valerie – its not a flu – read the literature. It’s clearly not a flu.
BTW, it chlorine at least 15 minutes to kill viruses and such. The pool does not have the virus. People do. Yes children are less like to get it but they can be carriers in a variety of ways. Also, not all swimmers are healthy children. I don’t my kid to bring that home to me and get me sick. Yes, I have a competitive swimmer. I have a kid who coaches. I have a First responder husband. And I have an “essential worker” kid. I would like to stay safe as long as possible.
It’s a good thing my kid got a full scholarship for his academics and then some. D1 Swimming will be an extra. I feel sorry for those dependent on swimming to get into college and money. We invested in school. That will get him further in life than the sport itself.
Ronna Frndz Then stay home and keep your kid home! The rest of us are going back.
Ronna Frndz then you wouldn’t send your child, that’s fine, that’s your choice. That’s not everyone’s choice. Some people want to live their lives and that is ok to.
The virus is inside the body not outside! Or are you willing to drink bleach and chlorine? Don’t be stupid
Ronna Frndz thank you for talking with sense. These people are selfish…
Tony Trefoil people are selfish simply because they have other beliefs, values, opinions and knowledge than you?
Julie Tellier they are selfish because they don’t care about anyone but themselves and only care about what they want to do.?stay safe?
Peter Scott took the words right out of my keyboard
Peter Scott and Tony Trefoil wants people to do only what he wants them to do and care about what he wants them to care about.
Kate Dunne fecal shed of this virus ? no one ever farts or might lose a turd in the pool? You have learn to swim or young age groupers? Disability swimmers who may occasionally
Have incontinence issues?
We probably could have played this game last year too…
https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2019/04/us-flu-still-elevated-dropping-deaths-high-57000
We definitely could have played this game in 2009… Wonder why we didn’t… ?
https://www.latimes.com/science/sciencenow/la-sci-sn-h1n1-influenza-virus-killed-10-times-more-than-estimated-in-2009-20131126-story.html
Flynn Burroughs we had a vaccine.
Hi Elizabeth, that not accurate. The first H1N1 death was reported in April of 2009. The vaccine was not ready or administered until October of that year…6 months later.
http://content.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,1894625,00.html
Elizabeth, this is a very helpful timeline on the h1n1 topic.
https://www.cdc.gov/flu/pandemic-resources/2009-pandemic-timeline.html
I’m in AZ. The temp is going to be 105 today. We have lots of sun. No pools are opened and won’t be for another 2 weeks or more. Totally ridiculous.
Lynette Besonday-Washburn so stupid!
I take social distancing is applicable for young people at all times? Seeing that it’s hot… won’t socialising be a problem? Deaths and cases in the US are the highest. Worst than flu! 60000 deaths so far and increasing. The sooner we reduce transmission we sooner we can return to normal
余梓鍵 not surprising that most of the people posting on here are from USA. However, I certainly hope they are the vocal minority…..?a mega disaster for the rest of the people with common sense not to mention an economic collapse that will likely take between 4 to 10 years to fix….?stay safe?
Peter Scott – Love your opinion/assumption about the “vocal minority”. You know what they say about opinions…
Lynette Besonday-Washburn And in California are nazi governor just shut down our beaches because people dared to go out and enjoy the water in a 100゚ heat over the weekend.
Peter Scott – worry about your crappy country. We in the U.S. have a constitution, something you could never understand.
P.s. you would be speaking German if it werent for America. So STFU.
Good suggestions but I don’t think the problem is at the pool itself, problem is common areas before and after getting into pool. When I was a kid every 15 days a doctor or nurse at the pool would need to conducta. Physical revision and sign a certificate, I could see this as a way to ensure folks getting in are not sick. Also in the northeast we need to consider indoor pools, 9 of 12 months of year indoor pools are needed
How about this; swimmers jump in the pool and swim and the coaches coach them.
And how close will the swimmers be after they have done a set? After practising kicks? Will they respond to a 2m distance? Will they obey social distancing?
They don’t need to. It’s no longer necessary. Read the medical and science data.
余梓鍵 – This is how it will be done…https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/28/world/europe/sweden-coronavirus-herd-immunity.html?smid=fb-share&fbclid=IwAR0orAgbEXmonWKtx6FIzx2RDnYtHmU8G4UR9ncng0k9Lcbnlt3tZ90bsFE
Cara Jones thankful for a coach that is writing up practices for my daughter when we can get access to a pool! She’s out of town this week swimming her little heart out, and I’m so happy for her! ?
余梓鍵 they won’t obey.
Allison Gober you don’t get it .
In NYC with those limitations on occupancy, I will never swim again. The problem is the locker room and protecting staff, students who staff the pools.
#fecalviralshed
Newsweek, Yahoo News and others have reported that the Homeland Security Department’s Biodefense Analysis and Countermeasures Center laboratory experiments show that sunlight destroys coronavirus quickly.
If only chlorine could rid us of swimmers’ parents!
Carlo Cordon. Did you see this? ?
Rebecca Trompke Hansen
Josh Smith I’m on it. ?
Rebecca Trompke Hansen I know you are. And these are all things I know you’re thinking about. We appreciate your efforts!
It’s not about the actual pool, it’s about the surrounding infrastructure. The tap in the bathroom , handle to the toilet door, the lid to the gear cage, the turnstiles to get it. The water is the easy part . I’m all for pools beings opened for Elite athletes at this point(qualifying times for Olympic trials) but everyone needs to have a better plan in place than ”let’s see how it goes “.
The following from a gentleman in Sweden: Here in Sweden most swimming halls are open and teams have been able to keep practising. Clubs have made new schedules so not too many are in the hall at the same time, parents dont follow inside w their kids etc. Its tougher for larger clubs who normalt have many groups at the same time and have to cancelled some practises. Also Warm up and physics is Done out doors. I am so Happy our kids have been able to go to school and swim practise this whole time, it is the best for their mental health to keep things as close to normal as possible. All competition is cancelled until the fall but at least they get the exercise they need…
Hope you guys soon can have the same but it is important everyone respects that We need to act differently to be able keep things as normal as possible!
Spencer Pinter … you are all way more obedient than those in the USA. Little Johnny doesn’t like to train at 4.45pm for 2 hours that upsets his dinner schedule ?
Pamela Goldsbro not this American family! We will take whatever damn practice slot we can get right now…we can eat dinner in the car!
I’d like a scientific citation for the comment “sunlight kills the virus”. That comment alone makes the rest of the article suspect.